Sunday 13 May 2018

Power - Smart Trainer and Crank Power Meters

NOTE - AS OF MAY 2018 THIS POST IS NOT COMPLETE AND WILL BE UPDATED 

Update 20 Dec 2018 - See this post: http://midlandscyclist.blogspot.com/2018/05/power-smart-trainer-and-crank-power.html for some update informatio

Cycling with Power

The shame - I started measuring power as part of my cycling and its escalated!

It really started at Christmas 2017 when my wife bought me (partly as I suggested it) a Tacx T2240 Flow "smart" turbo trainer with power measurement:








Tacx Flow T2240 Smart Turbo Trainer


  • Electromagnetic resistance unit
  • Train by connecting to the free Tacx app or other third party software (i.e. Zwift or Trainer Road)
  • Connect wirelessly to apps via Bluetooth or ANT+ for automatic resistance adjustment
  • Connects to your smart phone or other device wirelessly by Bluetooth or ANT+
  • Maximum resistance: 800 Watts
  • Simulates a slope realistically up to 6%
  • Behaves as a fluid trainer when used independently
  • Includes Tacx Skyliner riser block
  • Requires a power source for smart functionality to operate
  • Bluetooth 4 or higher required
It was on a good offer from Halfords and with my British Cycling membership you get another 10% off as well with is always worth having. 

I had (still have) a very basic Tacx turbo trainer from the late nineties that I only used when the weather was rubbish. I have not written about it explicitly but I partially dismantled it and showed how it worked here: How does a turbo trainer work? During 2016 I had started to ride it a bit more than in any previous years, however it was boring and tedious and my mileage was limited, although I was counting the miles towards my annual target. I didn't do any formal training on it though - just used it as a work out and at best probably ran up to a heart rate target.

I'd not explicitly wanted a "Smart" trainer (and this was really well before Zwift took off) but wanted the power numbers to give me something to work against and as a comparison of sorts with the Strava Estimated Power numbers.

Initially I controlled the device with the (Android) app on my phone but recorded the data on my Garmin. The Garmin recorded all the existing sensors and saw the Tacx as a power meter so this was easy.

However the App was at best picky and at worst inoperative. The App can be got here (for Android): Tacx Training. There are some other Apps as well including one Firmware updates etc

Here's the App page:


And here's the rating:


You can read into this yourself the quality of the App!

When you start the App it implies that you need to create an account. However look closely and there's a Skip option, This means that you can't save the data from your sessions with Tacx but you can of course save it on the Garmin.

I initially had a lot of issues making a reliable Bluetooth connection between my phone and the trainer, but some forum browsing suggested that with the trainer power up, you turn Bluetooth off on your phone. Then you turn it on again. Doing this meant that a connection was made ~90% of the time. If it didn't connect then it took numerous attempts to connect. At least you could warm up on the turbo whilst doing this. Once connection was made you could run in constant power mode (my choice) and periodically change the power setting.

This was not ideal with sweaty hands and I did a lot of searching for a PC based turbo training tool. There are a surprising number of these. There are the paid for models like Sufferfest, TrainerRoad, and now Zwift which are the big 3 I guess. There are a number of free applications as well, some of which seem pretty home made, or infrequently supported etc. typing into Google will give 100's of hits for software and reviews.

However I stumbled upon Veloreality. It sells itself quite strongly on high quality videos (that you can buy) so you can "train" on real climbs. The software is free but the videos cost the money. They also sell a matching cycle trainer if that's what you want.

However what's not clear on the website is that you can also "build" your own training sessions in the software - i.e. make a power vs. time profile and ride something like the Sufferfest sesstions. I think on the Videos that you can race against other people via the Internet as per Zwift.

Here's the actual list of features:


  1. Velo Reality – Lynx and Lynx II
    Wahoo Fitness – KICKR and SNAP
    TACX – Their Smart ANT+™ FE-C line of trainers: Genius Smart, Bushido Smart, Vortex Smart, Flow Smart, and NEO.
    TACX – The Satori Smart simulates ANT+™ Power, speed and Cadence, and can also be used.
    BKOOL – Bkool Pro from BKool with firmware updated to ANT+™ FE-C profile
    Elite – ANT FE-C compliant line of trainers: Real Turbo Muin B+, Real Axiom B+, Real Tour B+
    Racermate Inc – Computrainer
    Any other trainer that is compatible with ANT+™ FE-C profile.
    Any simple resistance trainer assuming it reports power over ANT+™, or in combination with
    ANT+™ power meter or with ANT+™ speed sensor and predefined Power vs Speed profile.

The user interface is a bit "odd" and certainly does not conform to any MS Windows Design Guides buts its functional, needs no installation and is frequently updated.

I bought an ANT+ Dongle from Amazon - this one, currently £14 (April 2018).




Absolutely no issues with it. I have not connected into the laptop itself but on an extension cable to put it closer to the trainer and bike sensors. This has proven reliable

Here's the screen shot of the main page:



There's (from the ANT+ Devices button) a means of connecting to the various sensors and trainers you have:



Press Search and they will be found. The only issue I seem to have is that the speed (mph) reads lower on V-Ride than the Garmin - but I record the Garmin data so I am less bothered about this.

On the Workout button you can define and ride programmed Workouts:



This shows a stepped rising power ride (1 mins at a higher power, 3 mins lower). The power is a ratio of FTP, My FTP might be 200W on a good day, but it does not really matter - just select a FTP value and then set the % value you want in order to get an absolute power value. If its not right you can scale the whole workout with the slider labelled Scale.

In terms of the editor - it could be better - you cannot copy and paste blocks, or create loops. However - its more than adequate. I have created a number of workouts based on copying peoples trainer rides posted to Strava.

When riding the workout as I said you can scale the effort level but you cannot pause or skip to the next stage.

Despite these minor criticisms it works really well. I rode around 900 miles on my Tacx smart trainer using V-Ride training software - so it can't be that bad at all. 

I set it up in my garage running from laptop. I have V-Ride running full screen on the laptop - so I can use the keyboard if I have to, and a second monitor running Netflix - so a lot of my workouts are around 42 minutes long - the length of many of the US TV series episodes


As well as V-Ride I got on the Beta for "Road Grand Tours" - https://www.roadgrandtours.com/. This is and has been for some time in Beta which seems easy enough to join. This could be a Zwift competitor but s quite a different sort of effort - basically they have created routes that are real (but virtually rendered) climbs - its not videos.

This is the log in screen:



Here's the start window:


The rides are Canary Wharf (short and boring), Cap Formentor (completed),  Passo di Stelvio (completed), Pienza (not tried), and Mont Ventoux (tried several times but its a beast at (for me) over 2 hours riding)

Given the ride time these are not something you can dip in and out of. Although there's a resume function its not at the position you paused at, its at predefined points quite far apart.

The graphics are great (but not on my laptop) but you need some decent hardware to get high quality at decent frame rates. There is a set of different camera views. From the website here's what's possible with decent hardware:




Connection to sensors is good and reliable.

There are some features like drafting which help. You can upload ride data directly to Strava (its classed as Virtual Ride)

The main issue that being in Beta there's hardly ever anyone on the system to ride against - I guess as it gains momentum this will change

However this is where I was now in a bit of a dilemma. I am not a power monster but the times on Strava for the RGT segments was poor. If I look at my times on real mountains in the French Alps and Pyrenees I am around a mid-performer - on RGT I am near the bottom. The only way this can be is if my power output is poor - there is no other way that speed is generated

Having got a power meter based trainer this "encouraged" me to try and compare this on the road, so after some consideration I now have a crank based power meter

I decided on the 4iiii system, and here are some pictures, both in the "un-boxing stage" and as it is fitted to my Scott:







MORE TO COME

100 Greatest Cycling Climbs #10 Widecombe

 100 Greatest Cycling Climbs #10 Widecombe

I rode the Dartmoor Demon Sportive on 5 May 2018. I have ridden very few Sportives over the past few years but this was a Christmas present from my sons.

In theory the 88 mile distance did not look too daunting but the 8800ft of ascent did so I was wary and thought I might opt for the medium route at the split depending how I felt.

However I felt good at the split and carried on. All was well until ~70 miles. Two signed 20% climbs in quick succession basically almost finished me, so discretion being the better part of valour I started to (because I needed to) walk some of the steeper hills, although I don't think I could have ridden many of them by that distance anyway.

I needed to stop and the village of Widecombe on the Moor appeared, so I had a can of full fat Coke and then rode on - a few hundred yards further was yet another climb that I walked - uploading to Strava later identified it as #10 - Widecombe - which is the other ascent of Haytor (in turn #9 - Haytor Vale) which I have also climbed

I was disappointed that I didn't know it was there but even if I had known and I tried, I would never have been able to ride up it given how tired I was by that point

However we had a long weekend in Exeter and circumstances combined that meant we ended up at the top of Haytor and hence had the opportunity to try the climb again.

I rode from the Haytor summit car park to Widecombe - it is about 3 miles with over two miles of "flat" so I tried to get my heart rate up. A free wheel descent to Widecombe, slight push up the climb to the village green and a turn in front of the church and straight back to the climb was the order of the day.

Despite knowing what to expect it. was still a beast - I was just about warmed up and could grind up the hill - on the 34-32 gearing only though. It was tough but I felt OK. It's almost a straight climb with just a small left-right dogleg. I pushed on back to the top of Haytor and then over and down to the visitor centre where my wife picked me up

On the first walking attempt I did the following:
Time: 13:59
Speed 3.7mph

On the second riding attempt I did the following:
Time: 9:25
Speed 5.5mph

According to Strava my power meter registered an average power of 232W and a peak of 427W which was probably near the bottom. Here's the same data from Veloviewer


The Veloviewer screenshot above shows a mighty 4.5mph pace at some points

This time put me about 1487th of 4424 (as of 7 May 2018) so just outside the top 1/3 - which is where I have been typically - assuming that I have not not already ridden 75 miles!

According to Strava it's 0.85mile long and 530ft of ascent at an average 12%

In the book the "recommended" time is 9 minutes so I ended up reasonably pleased with the effort on this ride

Haytor Vale (#9) is a 5/10 and Widecombe a 7/10 - there is no doubt that Widecombe is a much harder climb.

I  have updated the page on this blog that collates all the efforts I have made on the 100 Climbs series - this is here: https://midlandscyclist.blogspot.co.uk/p/100-gr.html

I used my Garmin Virb to make a video here:



And at the top of Haytor my wife took a few photos as I passed by:




Doccomb was part of the Dartmoor Demon and I had my Virb running for this climb as well: